Cultures and Related features

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

(If you see some recycled topic, you can skip it, tare won’t be so much changes) (I divided the topic in two part, because there are a lot of files)

 

Hello, 

This could be my longest topic. So, in previous months, ColonelDinos posted a wonderful topic about cultures and a national mechanic. This would give a new aspect of the game other than war and economy, it's the people. I don’t know if it was approved by Łukasz Jakowski, but I propose to make cultures more integrated to the game, because "some" people says it was “useless to add”. I'm here to prove them wrong ! 😜

The less tiring way to add this to the game, is to attribute cultures to existing countries by selecting it to present cultures in its country. 

Example : There are Occitans, Bretons, Alsatians, Basques and Frenches, but the culture of France is French, making others state minorities.

State minority and province minority are different, a state minority can (not always) be a majority in several provinces.

 

Cultures groups will design the country's and leader’s ethnic group, the country’s core, etc.... It is the country's identity. Cultures should be placed in the population, along with Civilizations, Continents, Provinces, Religions.

 

Here’s the current proposed cultures list in the board :

 

 

New map mode :

Here's how the potential new map mode could be :

Legend :

checkered provinces within a culture faction (delimited by black border) : the provinces contained 10% to 50% of a culture minority

checkered provinces who aren't in a culture faction (delimited by black border) : the provinces contained 50% to 80% of a culture, making its main culture provinces minority there

monochrome provinces : the provinces contained more than 80% of a culture

black border : delimitation of a culture, only with the majority included.

 

There would be 4 map types :

1. Cultural map with states border (Macedonian are Bulgarian, I forget)

2. Cultural map with culture border

 

3. Cultural map with groups border

4. Cultural map with groups border in black and sub-groups border in white : OPTIONAL (Basque and Catalan are not Hispanophone nor French)

 

Culture's acceptance :

There could be a law about cultures and religions acceptance. There will be three options ; accept all as minorities, repress and the multicultural option.

The option to accept would make all present cultures in the country be accepted as minorities.

Example : Croatia could accept Serbs, but Serbs stay a minority.

Repress minorities would make these provinces lose their capacities in production, army recruitment, and would deteriorate other countries with the same culture as the repressed minority. Would be available for non democratic countries (I guess), and would be hard to change it to accept minorities.

Example : Turkey represses Armenians, Turkey's relations with Armenia would deteriorate.

The multicultural option consists of making several or all cultures with a majority in cultures be the heart of the country, these countries with this option would have core construction penalties.

Example : Franco-provençal, German, Italian, Romansh for Switzerland.

Making the law also applied to religions would fix the lack of secularism for religions in the game. There could add more, but I have no ideas. 😅

	Embrace minority	Repress minority	Multuculturalism
Bonus	Minority Stability : +10% Minority Happiness : +5%	Minority Stability -10%	Army morale +3% Province economic growth +5
Penalties	Risk of cultural breakout +30% Core construction disabled Religion conversion disabled Debuffs for it are disabled	Unrest +15% Minority Provinces Stability -10% Minority Happiness -5% Minority Province Income -5% Minority Province Army recruitment -15%	Core construction disabled Religion conversion disabled Debuffs for it are disabled Unrest +10%

 

Ressource bonuses :

Each culture has unique traditions and eating, so it could have unique resources and habits, this would influence the trading market (example: China would be more likely to have trade with the UK, because they love tea).

Countries could have several resource bonuses based on historical context (example : China : paper, tea, rice)

AI behavior :

An amount of countries which have the same culture core in a region or continent would be more likely to unite, peacefully or by war, like the German unification. This would also depend on governments and how their culture is treated in other countries, for example if Hungarians are repressed in Romania, Hungary would more likely declare war on Romania.

 

Related features with my old topics :

1. Centralization and decentralization

Each federal or confederal state would have a proper culture attributed within its state border when we are creating them, this would work like when we create a scenario, by attributing cultural core to each states. A new tab could be added for it, states would be classed with the option to choose its religion and main culture.

Federalizing the country will bring more benefits if the empire is too diverse like Austria-Hungary.

Here's my old treasure topic :

Here's an approximative ethnic map of the Austro-Hungarian empire:

 

Here's the approximative map of the proposed federation of greater Austria : 

 

Here's how the tab could be when we create/edit a federation/confederation:

2. Subjects

Nothing to say about it, except that colonies culture is the same that the settlers, even if there is nobody who is in the same ethnic group as the settlers in the colonies. 

3. National claims

Countries could unlock a national claim, which means that the countries would like to unite its people, making more realistic a lot of conflits, otherwise, its will be for an expansion cause, so war goals are needed. This would be according to the government.

There still would be the option to create another claim that isn't related to cultures.

All provinces with Hungarians will be included, even if it is a minority. Claim that having the goal to unify the culture is not possible to add or remove provinces.

It could be possible to remove the claim, to have better terms with other countries, but could be recreated.

4. Dynamic monarchic and tribal types

Now, the idea of dynamic monarchic and tribal types would also fit with cultures. And add regional power from the last video. (Not edited yet)

 

I'm waiting for your criticism !

Edited July 23 by Wayne23lololh
Finished it, add Baltic

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

I make my promise qxz and Naval !

 

Edited July 6 by Wayne23lololh

[Naval 203]

35 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

I make my promise qxz and Naval !

 

Powerpoint-pro aren't you?

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

5 minutes ago, Naval said:

Powerpoint-pro aren't you?

Yes, since 2 months

[Naval 203]

1 hour ago, Wayne23lololh said:

Yes, since 2 months

I fucking love your ideas. It's the best on forum, no one did better.

I beg to łukasz to add it 

🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[Matvey 226]

WE NEED IT!!!

[Joaoj 70]

he liked it!

[Dipto479 86]

@Łukasz Jakowski

[paul2kdj 108]

This NEEDS to be added.

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

1 hour ago, Dipto479 said:

@Łukasz Jakowski

No need to tag, Łukasz Jakowski has already seen it

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

I confused myself in Dynamic monarchic and tribal types, I will redo a more comprehensive version. 😅

 

 

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

Added that cultures would be groups in ancient times, making them less precise on purpose, or there would be too many cultures to add.

Example: in 250 B.C. cultures would be Celtic, Romance (can be renamed to Latin), Germanic, Hellenic, Slavic...

[OwnM3Z0 936]

You forgot an important culture, which imo should only exist when spanish culture is conquered by arab or any berber culture and attempts to assimilate them:
 

Andalusi, which was the culture of the iberian peninsula under muslim rule, and should be considered an iberian culture still, auto assimilatiing to spanish culture when the province is conquered

additionally, this brings us to iberian cultures, which i think should be split into:

Andalusi

Castillian (should namechange to spanish in 18th century imo)

Aragonese

Catalan (harder to assimilate by the others)

just thought those were too imp to forget, i also think that there should be some mechanic similar but better than the one in ck3 where empires split into smaller ones at some point, maybe these smaller empires could develop their own sub culture based on their name ex: byzantine lost anatolia to a revolt, the custom kingdom is named nicea or smth, soon enough if the empire has high enough dev the capital province assimilates to this new culture, from there u can adopt it and make ur own lil identity        

 

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

I'll add that 

[Das Moss Man 389]

Bro is that a real game?

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

Yes, it's the new game, Age of PowerPoint 3 

[ThatTest 45]

1 hour ago, Wayne23lololh said:

Yes, it's the new game, Age of PowerPoint 3 

We need this game 🗣️🔥

[Joaoj 70]

Cultural acceptance

Maybe cultural acceptance could be a way to bring the unions back, to unite there must be a level of cultural acceptance greater than "x" and one of the union countries cannot be too small and/or have a low economy so as not to become a exploit

[Krakurt 8]

This is just amazing 😭

[New port 12]

Great idea, only some details. Apart from the fact that they live on the Iberian Peninsula, the Basques have nothing in common with the Spanish or Romanians. Macedonia is culturally not only Bulgarian, but mainly Serbian, and Kosovo is also culturally mainly Serbian. Finally, Montenegro is completely Serbian.

Problém by mohlo robiť, že nie vždy boly všetky kultúry takto. Teda mal by byť editor, ktorým by si to mohol nastaviť. The problem could be that not all cultures were always like this. So there should be an editor that you can use to set it up. 

That' s all. I hope Lukasz will add it.

[New port 12]

Sorry, I forgot, Tyrol is culturally more like Austria than Italy. Italy claimed it because there was an Italian minority.

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

I never said that it is fully accurate, it is just to show how it could be, but thank you for the correction

Edited July 12 by Wayne23lololh

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

For the basque ting, it was an error in the map, in the board, it is apart of romance group

[Naval 203]

32 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

For the basque ting, it was an error in the map, in the board, it is apart of romance group

lol basque was in romance group

 

GOD DAMN 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[Wayne23lololh 1,478]

There are some historical cultures which aren't present on the board, so I will create a chart to complete ethnic groups with old/extinct cultures. Anyways, cultures aren't selected in a scenario that means that the culture won't fit with the scenario. 

Cultures could intervene in rebels, which cultural differences play a role in it.